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Re: Re: Re: Ruling

Just to further this discussion.
Lets say this is your team. Your player has his back
turned. The opponent misses. Then decides his opponent isn't looking so he continues. Couldn't you as a teammate, just say hey what the he%^% are ya doing. Its not technically coaching you are not telling your teammate how to play.
I believe in pay attention to your own game. I wouldn't tell my teammate that his opponent fouled. Granted I'd call him a dumba#$ after the match. However, stopping someone from just all out cheating I do not consider coaching.

Re: Re: Re: Re: Ruling

I agree...such an act is absolutely detestable. That said...here's the rule about coaching:

2.23 OUTSIDE ASSISTANCE PROHIBITED
Unless specifically permitted by the rules of a given tournament, players may not knowingly accept any form of playing advice during a match. A player may not engage in communication, either verbal or nonverbal, with persons other than the tournament officials or his opponent during play, or during time-outs. Should a player desire to so communicate, for example to obtain a beverage, get a piece of equipment, etc., he should either communicate through a tournament official or with the approval and observance of the referee.

If the referee has reason to believe that a player knowingly solicited or accepted outside assistance in any manner regarding the play of a game or match, he shall take steps appropriate under the provisions of "Unsportsmanlike Conduct."

In team or doubles play, communication rules may be altered by the appropriate organization as provided for under "Administrative Discretion".

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The "spirit" of this rule is to prevent individuals from giving advice that might unfairly effect the outcome of a game. I cannot think of a referee that would call a coaching violation for such a situation as you describe. However, just because you saw something like this happen...doesn't mean you can call it for someone else.

Let's be realistic here...no one watches their opponent 100% of the time. We respect our opponents and trust that they will respond in a sportsmanlike manner. The bottom line is that a player misconduct penalty is a big deal and cannot be called unless you're absolutely sure it has occurred. The fact the opponent didn't even see it themselves makes it nearly impossible.

Cheating

It's too bad anybody HAS to cheat, however it does happen. When shooting a team match at MN ACS, I took my eyes off a game for a brief second. Out of the corner of my eye, I thought my opponent committed a foul. But since she continued to shoot, I thought I was mistaken. I looked over at my team, that looked at me like 'why aren't you calling a foul?' But because I didn't see it, I felt I couldn't call it. I should have asked her after her shot if indeed it was a foul, but didn't. Maybe she would have fessed up, maybe not. Live and learn I guess. I messed up. BTW, this was in the Masters division...

Re: What The He$$

I dont agree with what the person did.
i dont know if it happened or not. (wasnt there)But if it did happen there is nothing wrong with saying who it is. It could only be helpful to all the other pool playing community to know who this person is.

Re: What The He$$

I partly agree Martin, but this board has become to much about slamming people and I'm not into that. I know who it is and so do a lot of others. I would rather say something to there face then to just spread there name around.
I just did that last night with someone at shooters. They gambled with out having the money. So I said something right to this persons face. They had a few choice words, but I don't really care. Just proves to me I don't want to to associate myself with this person.
Eventually they either learn or every one black lists em and they quit. Either way pools got enough problems without using the web.

Re: What The He$$

actually that wasn't me, that was somebody at shooters I assume. I personally think whatever the case I would not have done what this person did, but if you let somebody cheat you because you aren't paying attention its your own fault. What kind of respect are you showing by not even watching while your opponent is shooting? Not saying I condone cheating, but it takes two people to allow cheating to happen.